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Ok, the first, and most important question is how the hell are they going to wrap this up in the Season 8 premiere without Michael. Is Lex just going to magically disappear? Actually, knowing the writers that's probably exactly what will happen

Also, they must have included that 'I love you like a brother' line so the Clexers could ignore the brother bit and be happy that at the end the boys do still love each other, even if they're both totally messed up. It seemed right that Michael's last scene had Lex holding Clark in his arms. It makes me happy, or as happy as I can get about the show these days

The Lana scene had me very emotionally confused. At first I was angry that they had her leave so he could be Superman, as we all speculated she would, and also that she dumped him on video. Did she learn nothing from what happened with Whitney?

But as soon as Clark started to cry, and Lois hugged him and I was bawling my eyes out. Really, Clark crying just brings out all kinds of maternal instincts that I didn't even know I had and I just wanted to hug him.

But, back to my annoyances, why does Lois want Clark to work at The Planet? Has he demonstrated any sort of reporter savvy in the whole time they've known each other? They might as well have written it as follows

Lois: Clark, I've got you an application form for a job at The Daily Planet
Clark: Uh...why?
Lois: Because it's comic book canon, stupid. Incidentally, you will be in love with me next year
Clark: ...

So, that brings me to the end of my extremely rocky relationship with Smallville. I'm still in awe that a show can bring me so much joy and so much anger and disappointment at the same time.

Edit: And they totally destroyed the fortress so Clark can build it again when he's ready to become Superman. Way to retcon, writers.

I bet they'll use this as an excuse for Lex to conveniently forget all his time in Smallville too

Date: 2008-06-05 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drusplace.livejournal.com
"I was bawling my eyes out"

I was so mad at myself when I realised the Clana scene was making me cry. Now I know it wasn't the Clana, but Clark. Tom was great in that scene.

I hear Lex will be "missing" or something. Kind of a cop out, but anyways, that last shot of Clark and Lex was great. Where the writers tank, the directors do a great job.

Date: 2008-06-05 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Yeah, I figured there would be some sort of cop out, so he can show up after Clark has become Superman with no memory of his time in Smallville ;)

Date: 2008-06-05 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm-wyatt.livejournal.com
I didn't know what to think about that episode. Some of it was so good, some of it was so bad.

*shrug*

Date: 2008-06-05 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Yup, that was pretty much my opinion. I think overall the good ever so marginally outweighed the bad

Date: 2008-06-05 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm-wyatt.livejournal.com
I still like the show enough (Tom's still in it, after all), that I will keep on watching, but I'm worried about next year...

I mean *really* worried.

*pouts*

I will hope for the best, but I'm afraid they're trying too hard to stretch it for another season...

*sigh*

Date: 2008-06-05 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
I just don't think it's going to hold well without Michael

Date: 2008-06-05 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm-wyatt.livejournal.com
Yeah, exactly. I mean, I love Tom, he's gorgeous and talented, but the show was supposed to be about Clark becoming superman and then, as a side story, Lex becoming a villain.

How can the hero be as heroic without his villain?

They'll have to be creative, so maybe they can do it, but I'm not sure how well things will work without Michael.

Date: 2008-06-05 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
They'll have to be creative

Yeah, because they've done a stellar job so far. LOL!

Date: 2008-06-06 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dm-wyatt.livejournal.com
Exactly!

That's why I'm worried!

LOL!

Oh, well... I'm still Smallville's love slave as long as Tom is on it.

Date: 2008-06-06 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Hehe! I might take a peek next year depending what people say about it

Date: 2008-06-05 11:16 pm (UTC)
ext_3952: (Clex - I love you)
From: [identity profile] duskwillow.livejournal.com
It seemed right that Michael's last scene had Lex holding Clark in his arms.
♥ Totally.

But, back to my annoyances, why does Lois want Clark to work at The Planet? Has he demonstrated any sort of reporter savvy in the whole time they've known each other?
She did find him at the Daily Planet many times, both researching on his own recently (f.e. in Apocalypse) and when he came to see Chloe. As Lois has no idea what it is Chloe and Clark do, and she knows they see each other when Chloe is not working, it's not hard to see she might think he has some other reason to hang around Daily Planet. She knows he worked at the Torch, so maybe she thinks he likes it at the DP?

Date: 2008-06-05 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Aww! The DP is Clark's second home. Well, that make a bit of sense I guess.

Date: 2008-06-06 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herohunter.livejournal.com
On a good note (maybe), there's sid to be a deleted scene where Lois questions Clark about his "friendship" with Lex, and what in the heck did they ever have in common... :P

Date: 2008-06-06 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
It's not a deleted scene. It was in the episode. Or it was in the version I watched anyway

Date: 2008-06-06 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acampbell.livejournal.com
The scene is in the ep, but according to ksiteCraig500, there was MORE!

This is what Craig said:


Originally in the scene where Lois gives Clark the application for the Planet, there was a lot more dialogue about the past of Clex, and Lois makes a comment asking "Why would a billionaire become a rugged farm boy's BFF? There had to be more going on than just gratitude." Clark got awkward, and says he's got to go, and Lois reminds him that even though she's a general's daughter from a conservative family, she's a lot more open minded than he may think, and then she flat-out asks him what exactly was up between the two of them.

Fortunately for Clark, that's when Chloe came in, and that interrupted Lois's questioning. But for a brief moment - the first time in 7 seasons - someone FINALLY thought to ask the nature of the Clex. It read very well.

I figured the lines would be cut somewhere along the line, though I was told the cut was mostly for time and it didn't fit with the mood of the scene. To go from something humorous to "Edward Teague is dead" just didn't work with the scheme of things. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere along the line some closed-minded exec would have demanded that you don't imply Superman and Lex Luthor are homosexuals, but hey. I always laughed when the OC made light of their own HoYay, and I think it would have been funny here.

Who knows. Maybe it'll make the DVD.

Date: 2008-06-06 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
OOH!!! Oh, I wish they'd have left it in. A nice way to end Michael's time on the show

Date: 2008-06-07 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herohunter.livejournal.com
*point up* What she said. ;)

Date: 2008-06-07 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
LOL! Thanks ;)

Date: 2008-06-06 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acampbell.livejournal.com
I'm still in awe that a show can bring me so much joy and so much anger and disappointment at the same time.

Me, too. I hear ya!

Date: 2008-06-06 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
It's a very strange thing

Date: 2008-06-19 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
Sitting here looking for things to comment on :) I'm only halfway through Season 5 with 6 in the post somewhere.. heh, I've been having a marathon for the last month, watching what others had to wait 6 years for. I suck, I know XD Anyway, I'm not exactly avoiding spoilers.

So far, from what I've seen of the slowly-turning-evil Lex, it seems like their relationship won't ever be conclusive, and I kind of like that. Why else would they never kill each other? Well, Clark CAN'T kill, but he sure has a way of making it happen when he really WANTS to. But he doesn't with Lex, not even when Lex is fallen president turned criminal. I kind of think the confusion built up in Smallville suits that. We've figured that Lex is totally in love with Clark, but Clark has turned himself into Superman, with not much left of the sweet Kansas farmboy. I think that hurts Lex more than anything, and he hates Superman for taking Clark away from him. A lot of it also seems to be down to Jonathan Kent's influence in making Clark so stubborn on distrustful. Lex... is just messed up and scared of losing what he loves, and he turns to the only methods he KNOWS. With both of them it's down to their bloody fathers, really!

Date: 2008-06-19 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
With both of them it's down to their bloody fathers, really!
I think that's what I love about this show! It really knocked me for six when I started watching Season 1 when Lex wasn't an evil megalomaniac but a vulnerable young man who was doing all he could not to become like his father

I really miss Season 1 Lex

Date: 2008-06-19 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
I think he's still in there, he just got very very confused. I mean he was betrayed by that many women (8 according to comic-canon!) left to die on a desert island, bullied by his father ALL his life, the Julian-thing, poisoned, oh yeah: lost his hair, brain-fried and had to slowly watch as Clark fell away from him and he didn't even really know why. He just needs a cuddle. And Clark (that is, the one in my head) feels so guilty about giving up on him and not saving him from himself...

Date: 2008-06-19 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Yes, the whole mess could be solved if Clark just gave Lex a big hug!

Date: 2008-06-19 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
And I think even in Superman-days, Lex could always still be reformed, because he's not insane, just severely misguided. If Clark just came out from up his own backside (however cute a backside that may be *g*) and spoke to him, cuddled him, told him he loved him... Lex would be okay! All he really wants is to be loved, after all. It's so cruel to allow him to be president, as in, have the love of the entire country, and then let him fall like that - dunno how well you know comic-canon, but Talia Head IS his type, he probably had an affair with her, and then she goes and sells LexCorp to Wayne Enterprises... bet that broke his heart some more.

*sits and tries to duct-tape the many little pieces*

Date: 2008-06-19 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Poor, poor, Lex. This is why I will always defend him to the people who say he is through and through evil. He's not evil, he's just lost.

Date: 2008-06-19 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
Yeah! And Michael Rosenbaum's really the only one who ever seems to have even bothered to look into his character at all.. noone ever bothered with him before Michael. I bet he loves that guy.

We're finding it interesting that when his personality is literally split in two, there are just two Lex's.. then later the good side of his personality has regressed to a frightened little boy. If you think about it, that is all Lex doing that to himself, beating himself up over his weaknesses.. and in "Lexmas", the "Money and Power" speech... I feel like every time he says something like that there's this huge amount of sadness surpressed inside him that NEEDS to come out but he won't let it, and so he beats himself up, making himself believe he is that horrible kind of person because if he let himself be any weaker he'd get hurt. He never knew real love apart from Clark's, and Clark was influenced by the people around him, all of which don't trust Lex. I imagine he must be so very lonely...

Date: 2008-06-19 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Exactly! I think Clark is the only person Lex ever allowed himself to fully trust and get close to, and it just ended up with Clark abandoning him in the same way (in his head) his mother did when she died

Poor guy!

This is why I can't watch the show now that there will be no Lex. It just isn't the same without him, but I hope there will be lots of Michael on our screens in the future

Date: 2008-06-19 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
I don't blame Rosey for leaving, seems the show has lost its soul a bit? Well, I'll know when I see season 7. Meh, I gotta wait till September for that! Waah!

Anyway... yes, and of course he saw Clark as a surrogate Julian as well. Lex just needed help beyond his father drugging and frying his brain for his own secrets to be kept. I keep thinking, damn, if Clark had gotten Lex out of Belle Reve before they could erase his memories.. because at that time Lex would still have forgiven him anything, not telling him, and he wouldn't have been in the position to let him be tested at 33.1 and they would've been okay!

Date: 2008-06-19 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Even at the end Lex said he'd have helped Clark if only Clark had trusted him, and I believe that

And Michael definitely made the right move by leaving. The show was insane by the end and made me angry

Date: 2008-06-19 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
What's so wrong with it by now? Season 6 still sounds alright, from summaries I've read... I kind of found it somewhat loses it in Season 4 mainly due the sheer amount of STUFF going on that doesn't seem to get resolved due to time constraints.. Lex dying of poisoning and then being alright again being the main example, or the actual motif of the Teagues never being fully made clear... I'm annoyed with Clark at the moment, in Season 5 because he's being too much like Jonathan. And Lana was annoying since halfway through Season 1 but that's just me lol

And we've created a "third universe" in which Clark tells Lex everything before Lex gets the chance to be that messed up, and they do live happily ever after and rule the world, like Jor-El wanted Clark to. What he doesn't seem to understand is that to rule the world he doesn't have to be a dictator! *headshake* naive little thing.

Date: 2008-06-19 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Take all the problems from Season 4 and times it by ten for Season 7

It starts off quite well but then loses the plot. Plus Clark acts like a total ass and made me hate him for quite a while

Date: 2008-06-19 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
It kinda seems like the writers are forcing his development toward him being more Superman-like.. as in, in love with Lois and hating Lex, when really he has a lot more time than than. I think of Superman being in his LATE twenties, early thirties! He doesn't have to work at the Daily Planet JUST yet, and Lois, well, they have a masquerade of many years once they're in love anyway, no need to rush into things that, well, have nothing more to do with Smallville, really...

Date: 2008-06-19 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Really, I have so many issues with the writers of this show. They have no idea how to write steady characterisation and plot. Half the time what's happening makes no sense at all and the other half just contradicts stuff that happened earlier in the show (sometimes just a couple of episodes earlier)

Date: 2008-06-19 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
Yeah... in a way, that doesn't bother me because we make up our own stuff and mix and match different canons here and there anyway, ESPECIALLY with DC chronology, because it's so all over the place. But it does cheapen it a bit when the writers don't really bother to keep notes on little facts like Lex's health or how old Chloe was when her mum left, etc. The more mistakes the canon writers make, the more right the fans have to rewrite everything ;) But well-thought out canons are too rare considering how high-profile it's all supposed to be.

Date: 2008-06-19 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Hehe! Well, that's true. So long as I can write fanfic I'm happy

Date: 2008-06-19 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
I'm kind of wanting to write the Death of Superman... for real, that is. They'll never kill him in DC chronology anyway, so I can make up my own death for him, and I think the only possibility is for him and Lex to kill each other... in the burnt remains of the Smallville mansion.

Date: 2008-06-19 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
*wails*

I like to give the boys a happy ending

Date: 2008-06-19 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
I don't think they'll get it in this universe, too much damage has been done. :( But DC work with 52 different universes, I work with an infinite amount, and for Smallville/Superman we have three significant ones. lol One where Lex has hair because he was never there when the meteor shower came down. He and Clark never know each other. Then the "canon" one, which I'm afraid ends with that showdown for me... and they kill each other because neither of them can see any other way out. And the third, where everything's alright, President Lex and Kal-El rule the world!

Date: 2008-06-19 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Well, sadly Michael left before Clark and Lex could get any sort of closure, which disappoints me a lot. It wasn't really a proper ending for them and they deserved it

Date: 2008-06-19 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
Yeah, maybe he should've nagged a bit more about the fact that he REALLY WAS going to leave. it kinda seems to me as though the writers didn't really believe it and they were never gonna give Lex and Clark any closure because that's what keeps a TV series going.

Date: 2008-06-19 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
by the way, would you vouch for me on [livejournal.com profile] sv_inquiry, please? :) They seem to have one of those moderated memberships where you need to know a member, and you're the only one I DO know who's into Smallville so I checked if you were a member and you are so... yeah? *send Clarks cute big smile over*

Date: 2008-06-19 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Sure! Is there a comment or post I need to reply to?

Date: 2008-06-19 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
I don't think so, I think they just contact you and ask you if I'm a troll or not lol thank you! *huggles*

Date: 2008-06-19 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Sure! Send them my way in that case

I hope you'll like this :)

Date: 2008-06-23 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokisday.livejournal.com
Somewhat inspired by Batman and any time Clark wears a suit, therefore including your friends-only picture XD And of course, dedicated to you and the need for a happy ending for these two :)

http://lokisday.livejournal.com/5195.html

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