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OOH, I haven't rambled on about an episode since I saw Wrath


Are we supposed to be ok with what happened in this episode? Really? Because the more I think about it the more disturbed I am

[livejournal.com profile] ladydreamer described it as mindrape and that's a pretty accurate description in my opinion.

Think about it. If Lex had done this to Clark instead of the other way around we'd all be gasping at the villainy of it all (or at least that's what the writers would be wanting us to do). Surely, with all the computer hacking, superpowers etc at their fingertips it would not be that hard to find Lois and Kara. Especially with Lois's phone in their possession.

And Clark knew what he was doing was wrong. Checking that Lex wouldn't remember anything before agreeing to do it. And then he has the nerve to lecture Lex about guilt and lies at the end of the episode

What has our hero become?

Don't get me wrong, I was glad for the implied Clex and the scenes with Clark and Alexander. I'm glad that Clark knows there is some good left in Lex (even though I suspect he will have forgotten this by next week). Finally we see why Clark can't ever kill Lex (and hey, I wrote that in my snippet for last week. Sort of)

But that doesn't make what he did right and, in fact, it makes me feel faintly sick.

Date: 2008-02-16 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryo-girl.livejournal.com
That happens a lot with Smallville, and it's what makes it easy to see where Lex is coming from - a lot of times, for superheroes, they can justify whatever they do as trying to save someone. But even if it's for a good cause, it doesn't change that what Clark did was the exact same thing as rape.

Date: 2008-02-16 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
I never imagined Smallville would have me siding with Lex Luthor over Superman but it's happening!

Date: 2008-02-16 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryo-girl.livejournal.com
You know what it is? I honestly think these writers have lost sight of who Superman is. Superman wouldn't do something like that. They threw out a bunch of Superman mythology and character traits just to add teenage drama to the show. It's pathetic.

Date: 2008-02-16 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
I don't think I ever saw it as blatantly as tonight.

Date: 2008-02-16 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryo-girl.livejournal.com
I've never wished so hard that this show was on a different network. The needless drama, especially in these later seasons, is just ridiculous. Isn't Superman's life dramatic enough without adding all this crap?

Date: 2008-02-16 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Mostly to do with Lana *sigh*

Date: 2008-02-16 12:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] goth-clark.livejournal.com
This show has never seemed to care about morality on any of the character's parts. Which of course is the total opposite of what Superman is all about, but hey he's not Superman yet so he can act however he wants. Or so I am told.

I loved the fact that Clark will never give up on Lex and I concentrated on that.

Date: 2008-02-16 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
I loved that, of course, but I just can't get over the other stuff. I dunno, this just hit me harder than all the other stuff that's happened on the show

I think I'm having flashbacks to Memoria and Asylum which is never a good place for me to go

Date: 2008-02-16 01:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] goth-clark.livejournal.com
And nobody on the show ever suffers real consequences to what they do. Otherwise they would all be in jail right now, or dead. And if they do, it never lasts very long.

Date: 2008-02-16 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Hehe!!! So true. I guess it's because it's primarily aimed at teenagers?

Date: 2008-02-16 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herohunter.livejournal.com
Smallville's Clark kent will NEVER become Superman. Smallville's Lex Luthor will NEVER become Superman's ruthless nemesis. Ingest that as your dogma and your truth from now on and you'll be able to enjoy the pretty much easier!

That's what *I* do.

Date: 2008-02-16 11:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
It's so sad to see what this has become.

Date: 2008-02-16 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herohunter.livejournal.com
I went through this that you're feeling a long time ago. Season 4, more specifically. So, from then on, I decided to accept that they producers don't really LIKE Superman and are working their damnest to bastardize the image of the hero in the eyes of this new generation that watches the show. Only the older fans (us) fix it with fanfic (the teens are only interested in the Clana anyway).

Conspiracy theory? Not the way that SV Clark is written.

Date: 2008-02-16 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Well, thank God for fanfic!

I tried to make my post-Fracture snippet a happy but brief reunion between Clark and Alexander but instead it has turned into a huge angsty thing :(

I need to write some fluff after this

Date: 2008-02-16 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Oh, except now my fic has turned into something else entirely. This thing has a mind of its own! LOL!

Date: 2008-02-16 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladydreamer.livejournal.com
They have two superhackers in the form of Chlana, Oliver Queen with his satelites, Lionel Luthor's access to LuthorCorp, and, oh yeah, Clark's superspeed and xray vision. They know that Lex was in Detroit. Really, Clark could have found her himself. Plus, if asshole Clark had let Chloe heal Lex to begin with, then he could have just asked where she was. Knowing that she was in danger, Lex could easily scrap his plan of not telling Clark and just do what he does after the mess is over, and keep up his friendship with her (why didn't they do this earlier in the season?).

I've been pretty vocal about the noncon on this show. Clana's first time (although acampbell pointed it out), the Clana kiss in Crimson, the 'sex' in Bound (since Lex was drugged, that don't make for consensual!), the Clois kiss when he was pretending to be GA and she thought Ollie, Zod and Fine's treatment of Lex, Bizarro's relationship with Lana (if she really didn't know it was him), the scientists and what they did with Chloe, and now Clark does it to Lex.

Like I told you, I enjoyed the episode, but that aspect is just really squicky and wrong. God, this has given me a bunny. Not a happy one.

Date: 2008-02-16 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Oh dear! Angsty bunny!!!

I'm writing my missing scene snippet at the moment and I'm trying to make it happy/hopefuly rather than a debate on the morality of this episode. It's hard!

Date: 2008-02-16 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladydreamer.livejournal.com
Yeah, that would definitely be difficult at this point.

I'm glad that we have canon confirmation of Lionel and Lilian's assholishness. Now I can stop having to write it in as a revelation.

Date: 2008-02-16 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
I'm trying to have Alexander make an appearance now that Lex is awake but I'm not sure how.

Yeah, it's no wonder Lex is so fucked up with parents like that.

Date: 2008-02-16 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladydreamer.livejournal.com
I was thinking that Alexander might start sabotaging Lex's not so ethical projects, or start working to feed Lex's enemies something to put him in jail, but that wouldn't be a snippet. That would be Disassociative Identity Disorder.

Maybe Alexander is showing himself with Kara? Protecting her and such. I'm sure we're meant to think he'll strap her to a table and cut her up, but it's more likely to me that he likes here and only wants information that she and Clark aren't part of the upcoming invasion.

Date: 2008-02-16 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Yeah, whenever we see Lex do something good (like helping Clark save Chloe in Cure) that's Alexander.

Date: 2008-03-03 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlehollyleaf.livejournal.com
Oooh! Fascinating. I didn't pick up on the 'rape' aspect at ALL! Bad me, when it was so obvious. And yes, I was mad as hell at the 'but you're sure he won't remember a thing?' stipulation by Clark too.

Obv there were others ways to get the information, the whole beginning plot was just a convoluted construction of the writers to allow them to display their view of Lex's psyche. Prob why I didn't consider the rape aspect actually. I just ignored the first bit entirely as irrelevant.

So, um, yeah... You're right. That's all a bit nasty. But... I dunno. My initial response was a kinder one. I saw it as a way of Clark trying to be intimate with Lex again, possibly learn to understand the friend he'd lost. And he never showed any signs of, you know, trying to DO STUFF in there that was specially intended to touch/hurt/enflame or otherwise harm Lex specifically. He only ever focused on finding Lois and Kara. Everything else was a side-track.

Hmmm. Another thing to think about though. But I don't think it's my main issue of the moment :p

Date: 2008-03-03 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
I feel less angry about it now but it really hit me hard at the time

Sorry for disracting you. LOL!

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