hils: (Claire by nikkinor)
hils ([personal profile] hils) wrote2007-11-20 09:06 pm
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ZOMG!!!

All the way through this episode I knew it was building up to Noah's death, but I convinced myself that somehow it wasn't going to happen. Has Isaac ever been wrong? No. Noah died and I was sad

THEN...the ending. ZOMG! He lives! Huzzah!!!

Wow, so Claire's blood has the power to raise the dead. Oh, the potential. She has to be related to Adam somehow. Right? Their powers are identical.

I loved the bit just before Noah got shot where he was asking West about his car. LOL. Awesome!

The rest of this episode wasn't really of interest to me. Matt has become his dad. Oh dear!

Hiro has found out that Adam is alive and that Adam killed his dad. Oh dear!

NOAH LIVES!!! YAY!

Hehe!

I think I need a Noah icon. He is pretty much my favourite character these days. Although I am increasingly amused by Bob. I loved his eyerolling when Elle asked if she could keep Mohinder. Hehe! Incidentally, did we know Elle was Bob's daughter? Did I miss that from a previous episode

NOAH LIVES!!!

*runs*

[identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, we knew that Elle was Bob's "daughter" - I suspect she's like Claire - not a blood daughter.
And if they didn't bring back HRG I would have tracked down Tim Kring and hit him over the head with my tv.
If anyone should have died it should have been Mohinder - grrrrr....

[identity profile] hils.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, Mohinder has gone back to being a dumbass again. I knew it was too good to last. And now he's a murdering dumbass

*sighs*

[identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
No! Mohinder's pretty (though he needs that nose to heal).

Don't kill my eye candy.

[identity profile] hils.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say Mohinder is one of the few characters that I like more this season than I did last season

[identity profile] tariel22.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
HRG has been my favorite character since the first season. I literally screamed at my television when that shot rang out! In spite of the painting, and the way they kept saying how Isaac's paintings always come true, I never seriously entertained the possibility of them killing off HRG. As soon as I saw his hand in the bed with the I.V., I screamed again, in relief! LOL!

I pretty much hate Mohinder now, and I don't think I'm getting over it.

I think we suspected Elle was Bob's daughter, but we didn't know until she called him Daddy in this episode.

Right up until the last minute, I kept expecting West to change sides and reveal himself as a plant for the Company. In spite of how skeevy I found him before this episode, I guess I'm going to have to admit he appears to be a good guy. :) I loved that car moment too! Male bonding sweetness FTW!

[identity profile] hils.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I was so sure West was a bad guy too. Ah well. He seems to be a bit cooler now so I can live with it

Awesome episode!

[identity profile] riverdoe.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, so I've just spoiled myself for this episode. For some reason, I thought you were talking about the last episode. Yeah, I agree with you about Claire being related to Adam, but wouldn't that mean that West is somehow related to Nathan? I was thinking about that when I speed-watched 2.05-2.08. Oh well, off to download this now.

[identity profile] hils.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry it was spoiled for you :(

Yeah, I'm probably thinking too much about all the characters being related to each other. But I do thing each of them has a power matched to someone in Linderman's little gang.

[identity profile] riverdoe.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
My fault really, should've double checked what ep I was up to. And yeah, I'm just waiting for someone to show up with Linderman's power, cos that one was cool. And Adam, is he really 400 years old or did he jump through time or something cos that's really bugging me.

[identity profile] mysticmoonstorm.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been waiting ALL day for you to post! I so knew you were going to react that way! *smirk*

I'm really starting to groove on Elle and KB is losing the Veronica Mars persona. And yeah, we were pointed in the direction that Elle was Bob's daughter back when she went after Peter and she was on the phone doing the "Yes, I know, no it won't happen again, yes father." conversation (or at least that's the conclusion I came to).

[identity profile] hils.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Hehe! I am so predictable *g*

Yes, I really liked the scene with Noah and Elle where he was telling her that Bob gave her the powers. He might have been lying, he might not have, but the seeds of doubt have now been planted MWAHAHAHA!!!

Thankfully I didn't watch enough of Veronica Mars for the persona to stick

[identity profile] notsowise-sage.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
The ethical dilemma's - this episode was filled them. Hiro nearly playing God, he has the power, but changing destiny is the wrong thing to do. He did it once, and that's what killed his father (though paradox, if he hadn't his father and himself wouldn't exist!).

Ethical dilemma two - Matt's new found powers... I can see how it'd be easy to go astray with them, like manipulating his boss, or forcing information out of people. As a cop to both be able to read minds, and command them is a tremendous boon, as one of this Generation's heroes, it may be what stands in the way of ultimate loss. However, like Hiro's powers, if you used it wrongly, the consequences would be dire. I was reading a Star Wars novel once, it's set in the new Republic where Luke's set up his new Jedi Academy - there's this guy who's been able to use the force all his life, mostly he just got a bird to dance on one foot occasionally, it took him a long time to realise that he was exercising the dark side of the force and that there was in fact no good in what he was doing. Yet he couldn't see any bad either. It's even harder if you can see good - which brings us round to Lord of the rings and what Gandalf tells Frodo - I would use this power for good, blah, blah, blah!

Ethical dilemma three - Claire's blood (Adams too for that matter), who deserves it? They've saved Noah (and can I say huzzah for that, and hope that Noah rebalances now that part of the prophecy has been saved), however is he more deserving than the guy caught in cross fire at the local BuyMore? Is he more valuable to humanity than the diplomat who died in a car crash? More vital than a doctor who contracts a disease as he works to save others?

So many questions - just how far can someone with these abilities go? What kind of morality do they have to develop to deal with them responsibly? And how do you deal with the temptation? Heroes isn't the only place these kind of ethical dilemma's are covered - there's also Pushing Daisies. Where Ned has to distance himself from people, for fear he'll use his powers and bring someone back from the dead, at a cost of another life. He of course fails (spectacularly considering he brings back the very gorgeous lovable Chuck), and thus has to live with killing a man.

You've no idea how happy I am now that Heroes is back on track (I was enjoying it - but I didn't realise how much I missed season 1 till now - and that shows in that there's been no long comments for a few weeks).

My mammoth post continued

[identity profile] notsowise-sage.livejournal.com 2007-11-20 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Now to the rest of the episode - I'm not wholly sure where this storyline is going, and by the sounds of it, it could go several ways, since they penned an alternate ending that would kill the whole thing at episode thirteen (booo hisssss), who's the myserious woman that just wants to be hidden? How is Claire linked with Adam? If at all? I mean I'm guessing West isn't Nathan's son, or even family. The mutations appear to be random - except that DL's sister, and his son share a roughly similar kind of power, Micah not only being able to affect computers, but understands them and can improve the hardware (think back to Micah's first couple of appearances, and when Nikki's father comes to visit one time).

I loved West in this episode, he wasn't just a whiney cry baby, he stood up and was a man. Facing down Noah, not letting a girl mess with his brain (like Simone did with Peter and Isaac), though he was wrong, he at least wasn't standing for it. He got to fly and be a hero, yay!

Mohinder, I still love him. Even though he shot Noah - it was the right for him to do. But he never tried to explain to Noah about the virus, there wasn't a whole lot of time to be fair - but still maybe he could have shown him what was happening. I'm guessing it's Mohinder's idea to save him - though Bob will want another talented human around who is a match for most mutantsPeople with New Abilities (they're not allowed to be referred to as mutants because of the deals behind the X-Men movie deals, and Stan Lee's involvement in conceptualising Heroes, and being one of it's backers).

I feel sorry for Mohinder, he's caught in the middle of all this - scientifically he knows more about what's going on than anybody, but the social aspects, and challenges, plus the world ending disasters - with the trust issues of all these different people with reasonable arguments for and against each other are too much for him.

Claire's coming into her own again - she's standing up, ready to be counted. She's prepared to sign on the dotted line for her blood to save the world. But she's so much more than that, we've seen that when she saved the guy in the railway crash.

Though Claire couldn't stop Peter or Sylar, since they could both kill her and Adam. That said, Sylar couldn't kill Peter. (Sylar with his powers back), why? An atomic bomb. Peter could obliterate every single cell in their bodies, there'd be nothing to grow back. One presumes the science behind their regenerative abilities requires some kind of core component, with stem cells (though in that sense, Claire has a better chance having a higher number of stem cells given her gender and age). However Peter himself has protection from his own radioactive ability, since Ted didn't kill himself when Claire was being fried to a crisp.

Which is why we need to get Sylar with his powers back - he needs to counter balance Adam and Peter, unless Peter realise Adam can't be trusted. Roll Nathan's part in all this.

Though I've had a thought, can the Haitian stop someone's healing powers? And if so, can he stop Peter's ability to learn powers? Indeed, could the Haitian? I don't think so. I think they would have been force feeding Adam the Haitian pills if so, as then he'd age. Which means in fact Peter, even with every ability under the sun, can still trump everyone and block their abilities - including Matt and Hiro.

Squee!!!!

How fabulous was this episode by the way? Huzzah!!!